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a number of companies will, you know, dive over the fiscal cliff, and i'm tired of the "fiscal cliff" term, pardon me, it's a manmade term, the fc, whatever happens january 1st. here's why they get sales from government contracts. that's the deal. it's not just the lockheed martins of the world. you'll see in here, humana, other health care companies, of course, medical device companies hit with the tax, but they have striker, for example, and there's a lot of sales from government contracts. you'll see in here, look at that, motorola, holdings in and waste management companies like waste management and republic services, ashley. ashley: what are the stock prices on the companies, iz? >> good point. goldman sachs warned since 2011 when that debt ceiling crisis hit in the summer of 2011 that triggered the fiscal cliff learning that the companies could under perform, but there's another wall street player, and that's fidelity saying watch for the banks, not just because they are under pressure as they track the general economy, but it's because business capital spending is down as of th
a number of companies will, you know, dive over the fiscal cliff, and i'm tired of the "fiscal cliff" term, pardon me, it's a manmade term, the fc, whatever happens january 1st. here's why they get sales from government contracts. that's the deal. it's not just the lockheed martins of the world. you'll see in here, humana, other health care companies, of course, medical device companies hit with the tax, but they have striker, for example, and there's a lot of sales from government...
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talk about the fiscal cliff and politicians talk about the fiscal cliff. we're wondering whether mom and pops at home talk about the fiscal cliff. is a lack of a budget deal actually spooking shoppers out on main street? >> it is. walmart told us 75% of their customers have cite that had they are worried about the fiscal cliff. mandy, you and i were on last week talking about the luxury retailers and we called out saks saying business pre-holiday was particularly weak. what are the people in the stores telling me all week, saying that this is the worst pre-christmas they had seen in over a decade, and part of that was because their consumers are worried about the fiscal cliff, so note to the government. it does matter. >> yeah, but that's, as you say, part of it. laura, what else is going on? it just felt like we were going into a lackluster season here. what happened? >> i mean, there's been some discussion about weather trends as well, but whether or not we go over the fiscal cliff, consumers think next year we'll see higher taxes and lower entitlements.
talk about the fiscal cliff and politicians talk about the fiscal cliff. we're wondering whether mom and pops at home talk about the fiscal cliff. is a lack of a budget deal actually spooking shoppers out on main street? >> it is. walmart told us 75% of their customers have cite that had they are worried about the fiscal cliff. mandy, you and i were on last week talking about the luxury retailers and we called out saks saying business pre-holiday was particularly weak. what are the people...
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four days until we head to the fiscal cliff. now it looks like childhood i go, you go games with neither side showing a willing nose go first. mike emanuel on where he head now. >> reporter: pessimistic tone for heading for the fiscal cliff in days. president obama and senators cut the christmas vacation short. the leader is happy to review what the president has in mind but to date they have not put forward a plan. late today, mcconnell expressed frustration. >> this is a conversation we should have had months ago. republicans aren't about to write a blank check or anything that senate democrats put forward just because we find ourselves at the essential. >> asked if he was going over the cliff, biden joked cliff? what cliff? this has been operated with a dictatorship of the speaker. not allowing the vast majority of the representatives to get what they want. they want them to return in case a deal is in the final hours. today, the u.s. is heading over the cliff. >> what goes away next week is the bush tax cut that they loathed
four days until we head to the fiscal cliff. now it looks like childhood i go, you go games with neither side showing a willing nose go first. mike emanuel on where he head now. >> reporter: pessimistic tone for heading for the fiscal cliff in days. president obama and senators cut the christmas vacation short. the leader is happy to review what the president has in mind but to date they have not put forward a plan. late today, mcconnell expressed frustration. >> this is a...
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both options going over the fiscal cliff and not going over the fiscal cliff are losers. that leads to a big lie. when this was made it was supposed to be bad for both sides. remember, high taxes and democrat sweet 16 party. they love that stuff saming that to dems is saying i don't know sardines and mill sack bad for cats. they love this. that shows how democrats crank the republicans. the democrats are so good at politics. politics to them is like inmates making shivs. they do it all day. so at the end of the day they can stab you. republicans are going what just happened? i just got stabbed. that is what they do for a living. they're good at politics. >> eric: president obama said according to the "wall street journal" on thursday, boehner offered $800 billion in revenue increases. president obama said those don't count. those are mine. what is up with that? just o >> juan: obviously what the president is talking about is three times that for revenue increases. we'll give you a third of that. you know what? you have to count this as something we give you to negotiate w
both options going over the fiscal cliff and not going over the fiscal cliff are losers. that leads to a big lie. when this was made it was supposed to be bad for both sides. remember, high taxes and democrat sweet 16 party. they love that stuff saming that to dems is saying i don't know sardines and mill sack bad for cats. they love this. that shows how democrats crank the republicans. the democrats are so good at politics. politics to them is like inmates making shivs. they do it all day. so...
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they continue to focus on the fiscal cliff. more americans are getting a better handle on their debt. the "wall street journal" reports u.s. households spent just over 10% in the third quarter of the year. that is the lowest level since 1983, according to the federal reserve. while the ultimate procrastinators are hitting stores today, retailers are also bracing for a busy day on wednesday. industry watchers say the lines were returning gifts will be as long, if not longer, then the lines consumers had to buy the things in the first place. that is the latest from the fox business network. giving you the power to prosper. ♪ lori: how has the franchise industry than coping with the fiscal uncertainty coming out of washington? joining us now is nick powell. welcome. >> thank you. thank you for having me. lori: i have to imagine this is probably one of the most difficult times. what do you think? >> well, it is obviously dependent on the way you look at the statistics. i think it is a great opportunity to get into the franchise m
they continue to focus on the fiscal cliff. more americans are getting a better handle on their debt. the "wall street journal" reports u.s. households spent just over 10% in the third quarter of the year. that is the lowest level since 1983, according to the federal reserve. while the ultimate procrastinators are hitting stores today, retailers are also bracing for a busy day on wednesday. industry watchers say the lines were returning gifts will be as long, if not longer, then the...
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both options going over the fiscal cliff and not going over the fiscal cliff are losers. that leads to a big lie. when this was made it was supposed to be bad for both sides. remember, high taxes and democrat sweet 16 party. they love that stuff saming that to dems is saying i don't know sardines and mill sack bad for cats. they love this. that shows how democrats crank the republicans. the democrats are so good at politics. politics to them is like inmates making shivs. they do it all day. so at the end of the day they can stab you. republicans are going what just happened? i just got stabbed. that is what they do for a living. they're good at politics. >> eric: president obama said according to the "wall street journal" on thursday, boehner offered $800 billion in revenue increases. president obama said those don't count. those are mine. what is up with that? just o >> juan: obviously what the president is talking about is three times that for revenue increases. we'll give you a third of that. you know what? you have to count this as something we give you to negotiate w
both options going over the fiscal cliff and not going over the fiscal cliff are losers. that leads to a big lie. when this was made it was supposed to be bad for both sides. remember, high taxes and democrat sweet 16 party. they love that stuff saming that to dems is saying i don't know sardines and mill sack bad for cats. they love this. that shows how democrats crank the republicans. the democrats are so good at politics. politics to them is like inmates making shivs. they do it all day. so...
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dairy farmers and wynn farms facing their own fiscal cliffs in addition to the actual fiscal cliff. whatever cliff are you worried about? tweet us at "squawk on the street." we'll have your responses next. . time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. [ male announcer ] th
dairy farmers and wynn farms facing their own fiscal cliffs in addition to the actual fiscal cliff. whatever cliff are you worried about? tweet us at "squawk on the street." we'll have your responses next. . time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your...
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and if we go over the fiscal cliff, the unemployed will take the biggest hit. reverend dr. frederick haines will tell us what falling off the cliff means for the less fortunate. [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. citi price rewind. boproductivity up, costs down, thtime to market reduced... those are good things. upstairs, they will see fantasy. not fantasy... logistics. ups came in, analyzed our supply chain, inventory systems... ups? ups. not fantasy? who would have thought? i did. we did, bob. we did. got it. gives you 1% cash back on all purchases, plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone...but her li
and if we go over the fiscal cliff, the unemployed will take the biggest hit. reverend dr. frederick haines will tell us what falling off the cliff means for the less fortunate. [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just...
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. >>> there is a full cornucopia of cliffs on this fiscal friday. the president plans to pop another tax proposal on congress, but will it pass? the clack is ticking. latest ahead. >>> so what would a cliff jump really mean for american business? you will hear directly as we reconvene our exclusive small biz all-star panel. >>> plus, call it the retail hu "hunger games." three companies that may not survive. >>> predictions 2013. big calls for the new year, mandy. >>> bring it on. the s&p 500 is on track for a fifth straight decline. some of the hope does seem to be coming out of the market of late for a deal. of course, there could still be time. nonetheless, what we have seen is a drop of 1.3% so far this week. indead, the s&p's longest losing streak in three months. even the good news on home sales. not helping the three major averages which are on pace for their biggest weekly drop in six weeks. keep in mind, many investors are still away for the holiday shortened week. volume is light. that does tend to exacerbate market swings. let's get down
. >>> there is a full cornucopia of cliffs on this fiscal friday. the president plans to pop another tax proposal on congress, but will it pass? the clack is ticking. latest ahead. >>> so what would a cliff jump really mean for american business? you will hear directly as we reconvene our exclusive small biz all-star panel. >>> plus, call it the retail hu "hunger games." three companies that may not survive. >>> predictions 2013. big calls for the...
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and they get together, and they chant fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff. and if you're an intelligence politician and you walk out to do a press conference and you say what i just said to you -- which is the fiscal cliff is a fantasy, it is an excuse to panic, it's a device to get all of us running down the road so we accept whatever obama wants because otherwise we have failed the fiscal cliff, and how can you be a patriot if you don't do what the fiscal cliff requires? and the fiscal cliff will tell us one afternoon much like the land of oz where there will be this person hiding behind the machine who will say raise taxes now. and if you don't raise taxes now, you'll have violated the fiscal cliff. now, do any of you want to be the person who stands up and destroys america by violating the fiscal cliff? do you want to explain that you are so out of touch of life that you don't care america's going to die late on thursday? [laughter] it's all right if that's the kind of person you are, because we just need to know it now because we're never going to sched
and they get together, and they chant fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff, fiscal cliff. and if you're an intelligence politician and you walk out to do a press conference and you say what i just said to you -- which is the fiscal cliff is a fantasy, it is an excuse to panic, it's a device to get all of us running down the road so we accept whatever obama wants because otherwise we have failed the fiscal cliff, and how can you be a patriot if you don't do what the fiscal cliff requires? and the fiscal...
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. >> to avoid the fiscal cliff -- >> if we go over the fiscal cliff -- >> try to avert the fiscal cliff. >> the clock ticks down to the so-called fiscal cliff. >> closer than ever going over the fiscal cliff. >> the fiscal cliff negotiations are going no where. >> president obama may not have gotten a fiscal cliff deal, but keeping up the media pressure this sunday morning with an interview op"meet the press." we'll take a look. >>> from the david petraeus scandal to the trayvon martin tragedy. the media's performance in 2012, we'll have a report card. i'm howard kurtz and this is "reliable sources." >>> it was a striking moment when david gregory brandished that high ammunition magazine last sunday so much so we played it on this program. but that braumpted a d.c. police whether he violated the city's gun laws, one controversy that they fuind under assault. and eric who blogs about the media for "washington post." simple question, eric, should david gregory be prosecuted? >> well, i think he should be investigated. i'll leave that up to the prosecutors. but i definitely do believe unli
. >> to avoid the fiscal cliff -- >> if we go over the fiscal cliff -- >> try to avert the fiscal cliff. >> the clock ticks down to the so-called fiscal cliff. >> closer than ever going over the fiscal cliff. >> the fiscal cliff negotiations are going no where. >> president obama may not have gotten a fiscal cliff deal, but keeping up the media pressure this sunday morning with an interview op"meet the press." we'll take a look. >>>...
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people seem to think the fiscal cliff is fix the debt. the problem with the fiscal cliff, the thing we're trying to avoid, the actual danger to the economy, is that we will get too much deficit reduction too quickly. if reducing the deficit was what the economy needed we could go right off the cliff and leave it there. you can see it in this graph, that line going down. that is the fiscal cliff, we went over our deficit problems, gone baby, totally, totally gone. one thing the fear of the fiscal cliff shows by the way, in the fox hole, everyone's a kinsian. everyone agrees. that is number one. too much austerity way too quickly. president obama is not asking for that much in taxes. it's worth getting a bit of perspective in here. you'll be shocked to know, we got a graph for that. here's what happens if we go over the cliff. you get more than $5 trillion in tax increases off the bat. and now here's what happens if we pass the sainted simpson bowles plan. you've heard of the plan. they have 2.6 trillion in tax increases. president obama's
people seem to think the fiscal cliff is fix the debt. the problem with the fiscal cliff, the thing we're trying to avoid, the actual danger to the economy, is that we will get too much deficit reduction too quickly. if reducing the deficit was what the economy needed we could go right off the cliff and leave it there. you can see it in this graph, that line going down. that is the fiscal cliff, we went over our deficit problems, gone baby, totally, totally gone. one thing the fear of the...
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. >> thank you, krystal ball, that wraps up our hour of the coverage of the fiscal cliff negotiations. thank you for joining us, and happy new year to you. msnbc's live coverage continues after this. >>> i am melissa rayburger, and we are continuing our coverage of the capitol hill, an agreement reached with the democrats and republicans to reach the deal. vice president joe biden came to meet with the democrats and try to sell the new deal that would prevent the across-the-board tax increases and spending cuts to a wide range of government programs. we've also learned that president obama personally called harry reid and nancy pelosi to ensure that they are on board with this plan. our chuck todd says it is not likely that we would see a deal on that vote before midnight, just on the logistical standpoint the house remains adjourned until tomorrow. mike, what is the latest you're hearing about a possible vote tonight, maybe not before midnight at this point, but sometime during the night? >> yeah, i don't think it will happen before midnight, just too many procedural hoops to jump th
. >> thank you, krystal ball, that wraps up our hour of the coverage of the fiscal cliff negotiations. thank you for joining us, and happy new year to you. msnbc's live coverage continues after this. >>> i am melissa rayburger, and we are continuing our coverage of the capitol hill, an agreement reached with the democrats and republicans to reach the deal. vice president joe biden came to meet with the democrats and try to sell the new deal that would prevent the across-the-board...
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now it's the fiscal cliff. and whether or not across the board cuts should be made to all kinds of services and programs because the super committee couldn't do what it was supposed to do. this doesn't help trying to put the country forward, put americans back to work, reestablish our prominence around the country and the world as the great nation we are. we need to see much more business and action out of washington. the cities require it, mayors need it, more importantly, americans are demanding it. >> something you'd like to see action on, mayors against illegal guns, there seems to be this push towards that. mr. biden has his own commission regarding it, but there is a worry amongst some folks once time passes, once we get past the state of the union, this could fizzle out. knowing how much gun control has talked about -- >> not going to happen. >> why not? why is it going to stay a pertinent part of the conversation in the public going forward? >> i think the public has been shocked and their conscience ha
now it's the fiscal cliff. and whether or not across the board cuts should be made to all kinds of services and programs because the super committee couldn't do what it was supposed to do. this doesn't help trying to put the country forward, put americans back to work, reestablish our prominence around the country and the world as the great nation we are. we need to see much more business and action out of washington. the cities require it, mayors need it, more importantly, americans are...
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economy from going off the fiscal cliff. after a late afternoon meeting with the top four congressional leaders at the white house, president obama offered this assessment. >>> i'm modestly optimistic -- nobody is going to get 100% of what they want. but let's make sure that middle class families and the american economy and in fact the world economy aren't adversely impacted because people can't do their jobs. >> sources say house speaker are john boehner deferred to senate colleagues and told them house leaders would consider, accept or amend their plan. what s not expected to be included in any deal is increasing the debt limit, something democrats have wanted and republicans have resisted. >> we he haded a long meeting in the white house and it was constructive. we hope that it will bear fruit. but that is what we hoped a lot. i think that the next 24 hours will be very instructive as to what we are able to accomplish. >> if it doesn't work president obama wants lawmakers to vote on what would essentially be plan c. here
economy from going off the fiscal cliff. after a late afternoon meeting with the top four congressional leaders at the white house, president obama offered this assessment. >>> i'm modestly optimistic -- nobody is going to get 100% of what they want. but let's make sure that middle class families and the american economy and in fact the world economy aren't adversely impacted because people can't do their jobs. >> sources say house speaker are john boehner deferred to senate...
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have you heard about the fiscal cliff? we go deeper into another cliff that's more of a threat to our economy. it is the container cliff. >>> i own maria's italian kitchen. we employ 400 people. the fiscal cliff is going to impact our business, who knows how much we can spend to increase our business and expansion may not be possible. the customers are so uncertain as to how they will spend their money that eating out may be considered a luxury. it really hinders our expansion possibilities. this is not a partisan issue. this is an american issue. the american people have been on a roller coaster for the past four years. it's time for them to get on stable ground. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a d
have you heard about the fiscal cliff? we go deeper into another cliff that's more of a threat to our economy. it is the container cliff. >>> i own maria's italian kitchen. we employ 400 people. the fiscal cliff is going to impact our business, who knows how much we can spend to increase our business and expansion may not be possible. the customers are so uncertain as to how they will spend their money that eating out may be considered a luxury. it really hinders our expansion...
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so what is the fiscal cliff? the fiscal cliff is the check. it's the tab after the buffet of all that spending. so the irony is everyone in the beltway thinks it's so terrible we are going over the fiscal cliff because it's so irresponsible. well, ironically it's the opposite. the whole point of the fiscal cliff is when the fiscal cliff is cleared and we jump over it, we are getting rid of all the accounting game mix, the temporary stings of things that allow congress to pretend it's being fiscally responsible when it's not. what's going to happen? a lot of taxes will go up but taxes will go up on everybody, not injure the guy around the tree that's paying for everything but everyone will have to pay. and then folks will realize the government we are voting for costs us money too. >> that's the thing. if we don't go over the cliff and they don't reach a compromise, what will happen? they can't afford to keep spending like this. won't spending have to go down by virtue after compromise not being reached? spending will go down a little bit becau
so what is the fiscal cliff? the fiscal cliff is the check. it's the tab after the buffet of all that spending. so the irony is everyone in the beltway thinks it's so terrible we are going over the fiscal cliff because it's so irresponsible. well, ironically it's the opposite. the whole point of the fiscal cliff is when the fiscal cliff is cleared and we jump over it, we are getting rid of all the accounting game mix, the temporary stings of things that allow congress to pretend it's being...
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america staring down the fiscal cliff. t-minus nine hours and counting and washington is wasting no time. senate minority leader mcconnell saying both sides are close to a deal. it's about time. >> my preference would have been to solve all these problems in the context of a larger agreement, a bigger deal, a grand bargain. whatever you want to call it. that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. with this congress, that was obviously a little bit too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. >> there are a number of issues on which the two sides are still apart but negotiations are continuing as i speak. but we really are running out of time. >> the vice president and i have worked together on solutions before and i believe we can again. >> no holiday for the best political team around. a triple threat, luke russert and mike viqueira on the capitol hill and kristen welker from the white house. are you happy to be working on the holiday? >> it's fantastic. >> absolutely. >> so
america staring down the fiscal cliff. t-minus nine hours and counting and washington is wasting no time. senate minority leader mcconnell saying both sides are close to a deal. it's about time. >> my preference would have been to solve all these problems in the context of a larger agreement, a bigger deal, a grand bargain. whatever you want to call it. that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. with this congress, that was obviously a little bit too much to hope...
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gerri: i want to talk about another issue with you that is a fiscal cliff going over the fiscal cliff, what will that do to housing? >> the worst case scenario in the fiscal cliff if the tax increases and spending cuts come into effect would be bad for the economy and would really hurt housing demand. even if the fiscal cliff is solved, less damaging ways to resolve the fiscal cliff, the housing market still might be affected if the mortgage interest deduction is cut back severely. right now the mortgage interest deduction cost the government roughly $100 billion per year in revenue and getting rid of that would likely increase home values particularly in more expensive areas. gerri: rehear it would put the brakes on selling and home buying in those areas. what are the issues for you? you know all the issues and housing, what are you looking for next year? >> three things have been really important, the first is the inventories of homes for sale are down sharply. that is great news for home sellers because there is less competition. bad news for buyers. demand is also up, rising rent,
gerri: i want to talk about another issue with you that is a fiscal cliff going over the fiscal cliff, what will that do to housing? >> the worst case scenario in the fiscal cliff if the tax increases and spending cuts come into effect would be bad for the economy and would really hurt housing demand. even if the fiscal cliff is solved, less damaging ways to resolve the fiscal cliff, the housing market still might be affected if the mortgage interest deduction is cut back severely. right...
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fiscal cliff? >> the category -- sorry, i missed that maria. >> the group that gets hit hard and the impact to retail is, if we go over the fiscal cliff which seems likely at this point. >> here is where we think you need to be focused on. it is all about innovation on the four walls of the closet. that's where we see bright spots over all. believe it or not, women's apparel has been a fantastic category. we think the people most at risk are those that are frankly not innovative at all. innovation wins out supreme and as long as unemployment stays in tact, he think the consumer will continue to spend. >> the expectation is, if we go over the cliff, employment does take a hit. and we go into recession. so i mean, eric, i guess the question is, can you retrace, you know, the damage that was already done by going over the fiscal cliff? >> i think one of the things to look at here is that, and you have to look at the back side, is that retailers in respect of inventories, are in the best position possi
fiscal cliff? >> the category -- sorry, i missed that maria. >> the group that gets hit hard and the impact to retail is, if we go over the fiscal cliff which seems likely at this point. >> here is where we think you need to be focused on. it is all about innovation on the four walls of the closet. that's where we see bright spots over all. believe it or not, women's apparel has been a fantastic category. we think the people most at risk are those that are frankly not...
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obviously a lot of attention tonight on the fiscal cliff. we're inside 30 hours until the expiration date on tax cuts. there are other important bits of business on capitol hill before the end of the year. in other words, in the next 30 hours or so. on friday, the senate approved a more than $60 billion bill to pay for construction costs for superstorm sandy. you see the video of that here. the house still needs to vote on that legislation. it isn't clear yet what the house is going to do. molly henneberg is live in d.c. there's a holdup in the house. what is it? >> the price tag. house republicans say it's too steep. a south carolina republican congressman said he and others want to help the people hurt by sandy but lawmakers need to figure out where the money's going to come from. >> it's not paid for. i know that's a difficult conversation to have but it's a necessary conversation. if we can't come together and figure out a way to stop spending someplace else to pay for this disaster, do we hope to be able to balance our budget and fix ou
obviously a lot of attention tonight on the fiscal cliff. we're inside 30 hours until the expiration date on tax cuts. there are other important bits of business on capitol hill before the end of the year. in other words, in the next 30 hours or so. on friday, the senate approved a more than $60 billion bill to pay for construction costs for superstorm sandy. you see the video of that here. the house still needs to vote on that legislation. it isn't clear yet what the house is going to do....
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their past fiscal cliff talks have not been productive. adding to the urgency, 2 million unemployed americans will lose their benefits on saturday if a deal is not reached. the nation's borrowing limit to finance is 16 trillion will be maxed out by monday. and it is unclear how lawmakers will move forward at this point, but if the senate is able to make a deal before the house returns to capitol hill sunday, house members will have about 24 hours to approve it. live at the white house, danielle nottingham. derek, back to you. >> danielle, thank you. >>> derek, you might remember a few weeks ago we built, then broke out the 9news fiscal cliff soapbox, giving our passionate viewers a chance to sound off on the impending fiscal cliff. now that the cliff is within spitting distance we thought it might be a good time to head out again with the soapbox. earlier today that's exactly what i did with a lot of help from photojournalist chip and producer elizabeth. >> reporter: what do you do for a living? >> i'm in the government. >> reporter: so yo
their past fiscal cliff talks have not been productive. adding to the urgency, 2 million unemployed americans will lose their benefits on saturday if a deal is not reached. the nation's borrowing limit to finance is 16 trillion will be maxed out by monday. and it is unclear how lawmakers will move forward at this point, but if the senate is able to make a deal before the house returns to capitol hill sunday, house members will have about 24 hours to approve it. live at the white house, danielle...
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off the fiscal cliff, this fall is really going to hurt. that's what they said. >>> up next, it used to be a favorite republican pastime, going after hillary clinton. it hasn't happened for a while, of course, but what if she does run for president? how could they resist doing it again? you're watching haum, the place for politics. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. if by blessed y
off the fiscal cliff, this fall is really going to hurt. that's what they said. >>> up next, it used to be a favorite republican pastime, going after hillary clinton. it hasn't happened for a while, of course, but what if she does run for president? how could they resist doing it again? you're watching haum, the place for politics. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with...
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we continued on that with the fiscal cliff. they also lost because they became the party of illegitimate rape where liberals and democrats are once fighting a losing battle. now it's become what do we do in the case of rape and incest which is a total losing thing for them. >> when you're barely -- when you've barely had sex basically. >> right. now we're dealing with the party of glocks. when liberals try to take away everyone's guns, that's a losing argument for democrats. now it's everybody has a right to get a glock or bushmaster. i don't know if that's a winning argument long term or is good for the country. >> did the republicans learn anything? is there any lesson you would advise them to take into 2013? >> you know, i think that -- it's like dealing with children. you want -- you have got to be for something, right? this is the problem. the republican party, and we all have very good republican friends. i don't hate republicans like some people in the country do. i like republicans. by the way, i have to defeat somebody
we continued on that with the fiscal cliff. they also lost because they became the party of illegitimate rape where liberals and democrats are once fighting a losing battle. now it's become what do we do in the case of rape and incest which is a total losing thing for them. >> when you're barely -- when you've barely had sex basically. >> right. now we're dealing with the party of glocks. when liberals try to take away everyone's guns, that's a losing argument for democrats. now...
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not understand what exactly the fiscal cliff is. what this may say about the whole cliff situation. that's when we come right back. you better come back and join us once again. y wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i could get used to this. [ male announcer ] yes, you could business pro. yes, you could. go national. go like a pro. >>> all right. the selloff is intensifying right now. if you're just joining us, keeping tax o
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the looming fiscal cliff. aides for both parties now saying a partial agreement or patch probably the most that we can be expecting before january 1. >> i think we're dealing now with whether or not we can put off the -- the increase in tax rates. that's really all we can deal with now. >> the next session of the senate is now set for tomorrow. the house has nothing on its schedule for this week. members have been told they could be called back within 48 hours' notice. meantime, and this i guess is also the big news, the white house saying the president's going to be flying back from vacation in hawaii today. a lot of people making something of that. i don't know what it means ultimately. >> well, one thing it means -- >> a show of something. >> if i had to get back from hawaii at a minute's notice, you know what it would be. the president will have an easier time of it, i think. right? >> i noticed a couple of news reports saying the cost of the last-minute flight is about $250 -- >> he's the president, he's
the looming fiscal cliff. aides for both parties now saying a partial agreement or patch probably the most that we can be expecting before january 1. >> i think we're dealing now with whether or not we can put off the -- the increase in tax rates. that's really all we can deal with now. >> the next session of the senate is now set for tomorrow. the house has nothing on its schedule for this week. members have been told they could be called back within 48 hours' notice. meantime, and...
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"off the fiscal cliff, this fall is really going to hurt." that's what they said. >>> up next, it used to be a favorite republican pastime, going after hillary clinton. it hasn't happened for a while, of course, but what if she does run for president? how could they resist doing it again? you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. check out my new treadmill app. pretty sweet, huh? cute. but don't you have any apps on your phone that can make your life easier? who do you think i am, quicken loans? at quicken loans, we'll provide you with myql mobile. this amazingly useful app allows you to take pictures of your mortgage documents using an iphone or android smart phone... so you can easily send them to us. one more way quicken loans is engineered to amaze. ooh, la-la! >>> i'm craig melvin. we have some breaking news at this hour. nbc news laz learned president obama will host a meeting tomorrow afternoon with congressional leadership from both sides of the aisle. house this really a concussion -- >> you mean john bolton. >> i feel if s
"off the fiscal cliff, this fall is really going to hurt." that's what they said. >>> up next, it used to be a favorite republican pastime, going after hillary clinton. it hasn't happened for a while, of course, but what if she does run for president? how could they resist doing it again? you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. check out my new treadmill app. pretty sweet, huh? cute. but don't you have any apps on your phone that can make your life...
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cliff and hold it through the fiscal cliff or over the fiscal cliff, it damages everybody, all spectrums of income, tax brackets. it would hurt the economy. we just don't think that politicians are that dedicated or that adamant on the positions that they hold at least today. so we think we're going to -- in terms of towards the end of the year here, it doesn't look like they're going to repair this thing before new year's day but we do think that what will happen is in january they'll get their act together and we'll get something to go forward. we think the markets will respond positively. >> you do admit that things could get a whole lot worse from a market standpoint before they get better, right? >> if nothing is done, and we just do not feel at this point that knock will be done. we think that investors who are concerned that nothing will be done and the washingtonians will stick to that through the first quarter flat second quarter should be buying puts at this point. from the perspective that we see now, from the words that came out of both the president as well as the speaker of
cliff and hold it through the fiscal cliff or over the fiscal cliff, it damages everybody, all spectrums of income, tax brackets. it would hurt the economy. we just don't think that politicians are that dedicated or that adamant on the positions that they hold at least today. so we think we're going to -- in terms of towards the end of the year here, it doesn't look like they're going to repair this thing before new year's day but we do think that what will happen is in january they'll get...
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fiscal cliff deal. meantime, treasury warns the government will hit its legal borrowing limit by monday. it's thursday, december 27th, 2012 and "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning and welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen. becky continues to have the day off today. our guest host today is bob broska. house speaker john boehner urging the senate to come up with a passable fiscal cliff solution. he's promising to at least consider any bill that the upper chamber produces. senate majority leader harry reid now expected to base any legislation on a bill passed earlier this year to continue tax breaks for households will incomes below $250,000. a senate bill would likely contain an extension of expiring unemployment benefits. and the other big news of the morning, treasury secretary tim geithner unveiling a plan to buy time under the debt ceiling. in a letter to congress, geithner saying that treasury is going to begin taking steps this week to delay h
fiscal cliff deal. meantime, treasury warns the government will hit its legal borrowing limit by monday. it's thursday, december 27th, 2012 and "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning and welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe kernen. becky continues to have the day off today. our guest host today is bob broska. house speaker john boehner urging the senate to come up with a passable fiscal cliff solution. he's promising...
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to address the fiscal cliff. talks will take place behind closed doors. no public negotiations set. you have the debt and the fiscal cliff. it's not looking too good right now when it comes to the u.s. economy. >> geithner told congressional leaders that his department is using some accounting measures basically a fancy way of saying they're going to free up cash to hold off temporarily this fiscal cliff. but it's still not looking good. >> i don't know about you at home, but kicking the can down the road has been happening over and over again. somebody has to make some decisions here. >> it's like in this business, they give you a deadline and you have to hit the deadline. there's no coming in and saying take another ten minutes. it don't work that way in real life. there are americans out there saying get off your couches. get back to washington and get the deal done. >> sometimes it's not pretty when you have to rush, but get it done. >>> still on the economy now, new signs of a turn around in the real estate
to address the fiscal cliff. talks will take place behind closed doors. no public negotiations set. you have the debt and the fiscal cliff. it's not looking too good right now when it comes to the u.s. economy. >> geithner told congressional leaders that his department is using some accounting measures basically a fancy way of saying they're going to free up cash to hold off temporarily this fiscal cliff. but it's still not looking good. >> i don't know about you at home, but...
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we avoid the fiscal cliff. and i cannot wait to see it all. >> movie prices going up, things getting worse before it gets better. >> hopefully hurricane sandy is the cuyahoga river moment of 2012 and that more americans will finally realize that even though one storm can't be
we avoid the fiscal cliff. and i cannot wait to see it all. >> movie prices going up, things getting worse before it gets better. >> hopefully hurricane sandy is the cuyahoga river moment of 2012 and that more americans will finally realize that even though one storm can't be
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cliff because the fiscal cliff compass more than just taxes. you've got the quester and the unemployment insurance. the republicans and democrats know that they can't afford to go back in a recession at this point and the republicans are going to get blamed for it. the taxes still increased and y'all promised not to do that and on the other hand, if they make a deal now, they can go back and say look, we're not in total control. we only control the one branch of government so we made a deal to keep the taxes, you know, low on 98% of the country and that's to win. and as far as the sequester, the afford to lose all those military jobs. that's 100 million jobs possibly lost. and then you've got the unemployment, you know, two million people unemployment, they can't afford not to have that revenue injected into the system so i believe come monday, they're going to have a deal. i believe it. there's not -- they are not -- i'm going to guarantee you you guys. host: eve got a guarantee from antonio. joseph rosenberg who makes a living researching thi
cliff because the fiscal cliff compass more than just taxes. you've got the quester and the unemployment insurance. the republicans and democrats know that they can't afford to go back in a recession at this point and the republicans are going to get blamed for it. the taxes still increased and y'all promised not to do that and on the other hand, if they make a deal now, they can go back and say look, we're not in total control. we only control the one branch of government so we made a deal to...
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let president obama own the fiscal cliff. it should be called the obama cliff. >> julia: people know how much they would have to pay. folks on the man on the street interviews . people are looking at the numbers going what. >> kelly: in today's meeting should be a crucial meet the white house should have come with its plan and boehner should have come with a plan and senator reid should come with a plan but senator reid is name call speaker of the house john boehner giving retaliation of what is done . you have a lot of name calling. listen to what boehner said in response to senator reid. senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house has passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff and senate democrats have not. now they are coming into the meeting and there is already acrimoney instead of reconciliation. >> part of the problem, i am sorry, the house passed two spending bills and ideas to meet the fiscal cliff and cent -- subject it to the senate. they have two over there . john boehner said let me get t
let president obama own the fiscal cliff. it should be called the obama cliff. >> julia: people know how much they would have to pay. folks on the man on the street interviews . people are looking at the numbers going what. >> kelly: in today's meeting should be a crucial meet the white house should have come with its plan and boehner should have come with a plan and senator reid should come with a plan but senator reid is name call speaker of the house john boehner giving...
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and if we go over the fiscal cliff, the unemployed will take the biggest hit. reverend dr. frederick haines will tell us what falling off the cliff means for the less fortunate. >>> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> welcome back. it's been less than two weeks since the massacre at sandy hook elementary school. today shooting clubs in at least three states started training teachers to carry handguns. 200 people signed up for the teacher training in salt lake city. a gun club in ohio says it's swamped with training requests from teachers and administrators. arizona's even offering classes, too. the teachers unions are against the idea of arming faculty. but putting guns in schools is not new. in fact, 1/3 of all public schools had an armed staffer on campus during the 2009 school year. the nra's answer to newtown is to simply arm more teachers. >> i wish to god she had had an m-4 in her office locked up so when she heard gunfire she pulls it out and she didn't have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands but she takes him out, t
and if we go over the fiscal cliff, the unemployed will take the biggest hit. reverend dr. frederick haines will tell us what falling off the cliff means for the less fortunate. >>> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> welcome back. it's been less than two weeks since the massacre at sandy hook elementary school. today shooting clubs in at least three states started training teachers to carry handguns. 200 people signed up for the teacher...
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cliff happening, us going over the fiscal cliff, but if senate does pass something, that would be the next move, then the house could pretty easily take it up and pass it on sunday night or monday morning, on the actual day of december 31st. i think at this point, it's more of a question of optics, and democrats were definitely trying to take advantage today of the fact that the house republican -- the republican-led house, rather, is not here and won't be here until sunday. we all know that what happens here in washington, is that nothing really happens until they're really up against the deadline. that's why i'm also told by some democrats who really know what the process is going to be, if there is one, that they don't even see this potentially happening, if there is any kind of legislation that goes before december 31st, until probably that day, december 31st, because the pressure will have to be on to get enough republicans in the house and the senate, to pass this. >> right up to the edge. thank you, dana. thank you, jessica. now, right now, the most likely deal on the table see
cliff happening, us going over the fiscal cliff, but if senate does pass something, that would be the next move, then the house could pretty easily take it up and pass it on sunday night or monday morning, on the actual day of december 31st. i think at this point, it's more of a question of optics, and democrats were definitely trying to take advantage today of the fact that the house republican -- the republican-led house, rather, is not here and won't be here until sunday. we all know that...
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cliff is nothing compared to the real fiscal cliff. the real fiscal cliff is the continued excessive borrowing and spending of over a trillion dollars a year that is driving this country into a serious fiscal situation for the future. and it's not just something our children and grandchildren are going to have to pay for years down the line. it's something we are all paying for now. it's something that is keeping people from getting back to work, keeping companies from expanding. we and future generations will address what i believe any american who is paying any attention whatsoever, and everyone certainly in this body and our corresponding house down the hall understands whether you are a republican or democrat, liberal or conservative, it's simple math. it's not algebra, it's not sal includes. it's third grade math. you cannot raise $2.2 trillion a year and spend $3.5 trillion or $3.4 trillion. literally, we have added now approaching $6 trillion in just the last four years, and it's unsustainable. it's going to hurt everybody and i
cliff is nothing compared to the real fiscal cliff. the real fiscal cliff is the continued excessive borrowing and spending of over a trillion dollars a year that is driving this country into a serious fiscal situation for the future. and it's not just something our children and grandchildren are going to have to pay for years down the line. it's something we are all paying for now. it's something that is keeping people from getting back to work, keeping companies from expanding. we and future...
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byy the fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling -- shibani: the fiscal cliff -- >> cash is king. next you may expect earnings -- it is better than losing. we have seen how fast these markets are reacting to the news. yesterday if you wanted to take a larger position you could short the market using exchange traded funds without getting out of your positions and go into the bond market for the treasury's o take some kind of yield out of that. shibani: specific names. >> t l p is long-term treasury bond which for full disclosure i own from my clients. i am short using the et after the stock-market and the s&p and the dow and the russell. my client's head of ford folios and we have smaller stocks like family dollar stores. if the economy gets worse and full disclosure we do own family dollar, these kind of companies are going to do well when people have no money. shibani: great hedge plays, thanks very much. -pdennis: john brown coming up, the only real fix for washington gridlock is to limit legislators to 1-year terms. shibani: crisis averted on the east coast. massive looming por
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they get together and chant fiscal cliff, face fiscal cliff. it you're an intrejt politician and you say what i said which is the fiscal cliff isn't a "fantasy." it is an excuse to panic. it's a device to get us running down the road so we accept whatever obama wants otherwise we failed the fiscal cliff how can you be a patriotism if you don't what the fiscal cliff requires and they will tell us much like the land of oz. there will be the person hiding the behind the machine that say raise taxes now. and if you don't raise taxes now you violated the fiscal cliff. do you want to be the person who stands up and destroying america? do you want to go on one of the national networking and explain your reactionary and out of touch with life you don't care that america is going to die late on thursday? [laughter] it's all right if that's kind of person you are. we're never going schedule you. you will be never on television. you are clearly weird. [laughter] let me start with the idea and say there is no fiscal cliff. we had a bad election. we did a n
they get together and chant fiscal cliff, face fiscal cliff. it you're an intrejt politician and you say what i said which is the fiscal cliff isn't a "fantasy." it is an excuse to panic. it's a device to get us running down the road so we accept whatever obama wants otherwise we failed the fiscal cliff how can you be a patriotism if you don't what the fiscal cliff requires and they will tell us much like the land of oz. there will be the person hiding the behind the machine that say...
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>> forget the fiscal cliff. eric: forget the fiscal cliff, what about a container cliff and what that might do to the economy. a a nasty standoff between union workers and the companies could cripple the nation. unless two groups reach a deal, theyun planted strike down plano strike this weekend.if if the strike happened, some reports estimate for a billion dollars per day. >> there's no question, use the righte words, cripple the economy. the backbone of the trade on the export and import, eric. about $100 billion or more comes in and out where you have to have these strikes. co it is very devastating and could reverberate throughout thees country. food distributors, everybody would be affected by this strike if it goesrd forward. eric: what do the unions want and what is management willing to do, how far apart are these two groups? >> normally in a dispute with the unions it is about wages and benefits in this case it is not. what the unions are objecting to with reports i have been seeingu is new work rules a
>> forget the fiscal cliff. eric: forget the fiscal cliff, what about a container cliff and what that might do to the economy. a a nasty standoff between union workers and the companies could cripple the nation. unless two groups reach a deal, theyun planted strike down plano strike this weekend.if if the strike happened, some reports estimate for a billion dollars per day. >> there's no question, use the righte words, cripple the economy. the backbone of the trade on the export and...
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jimmy, let's start with the fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> we're hearing about a strange marriage between minority leader mitch mcconnell and the vice president. why is the senate's top republican having to go to the white house for help with democrats? >> well, i mean, they have been running around saying we want the president to lead, we need the president to show leadership. john mccain just went to the show and said the president needs to show leadership. does he think the vice president's office somehow got moved away from the executive branch? i'm pretty sure the president via his vice president is leading. if that's the case, it sounds to me like they don't like what he's leading with. >> you said via. he hasn't built the relationships with members of his own party or the other party. so, yes, it makes sense that vice president biden is brought in because he still has relationships with people on the hill. >> but, susan, another issue here, and that is mcconnell having to go to biden because he's learned he can't depend on boehner to help him. >> well, i think -- >> no? stu
jimmy, let's start with the fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> we're hearing about a strange marriage between minority leader mitch mcconnell and the vice president. why is the senate's top republican having to go to the white house for help with democrats? >> well, i mean, they have been running around saying we want the president to lead, we need the president to show leadership. john mccain just went to the show and said the president needs to show leadership. does he think...
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adam: to avert a fiscal cliff we have to go over tte fiscal cliff. the question is if the senate passes the deal and i that the house will pass the deal. we received a statement from the speaker of the house, john boehner. i want to read this for you word for word coming from leadership on the senate agreement. the house will honor its commitment to sue the senate agreement if it is passed. decisions about whether the house will seek to except a measure will be made when house members and the american people of babel to review the legislation. we have been talking about the legislation but with rich edson standing by live once again to explain to us what is at stake and what is to be considered. rich: good evening, adam. the number of different items in state tuition ongoing as to when exactly the senate will pass up. see how much this thing cost, say they have enough votes to get this through although joe biden says he is confident, feels pretty good this vote will end up his way. the deal he negotiate with mitch mcconnell and basically preserves cu
adam: to avert a fiscal cliff we have to go over tte fiscal cliff. the question is if the senate passes the deal and i that the house will pass the deal. we received a statement from the speaker of the house, john boehner. i want to read this for you word for word coming from leadership on the senate agreement. the house will honor its commitment to sue the senate agreement if it is passed. decisions about whether the house will seek to except a measure will be made when house members and the...
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president will not go to hawaii to avoid the fiscal cliff and ever continue we get past the fiscal cliff, round two is in a couple of months when congress has to raise the debt ceiling to keep the country from default. trace? >>trace: thank you, wendell, from the white house. joining us now is columnist for the congressional newspaper "the hill." i have to go on what wendell says, if you are speaker boehner and you walk to the house of representatives members and say there is kind of a deal but no spending cuts. how does that fly? >>reporter: that is the problem. what you see are words of hope from the republican leader on the senate side how we are very close to what has to be fixed, the tax rates. he is trying to put a positive spin on that. we knew they would be fixed. the worry all along was, were we going to see a replacement for the draconian sequestration cuts everyone hated on both sides of the aisle for 17 months. here we are, in the final stretch, the 11th hour, surprise, both have given on the tax issue because neither could stand to go over the fiscal cliff, the tax cliff but
president will not go to hawaii to avoid the fiscal cliff and ever continue we get past the fiscal cliff, round two is in a couple of months when congress has to raise the debt ceiling to keep the country from default. trace? >>trace: thank you, wendell, from the white house. joining us now is columnist for the congressional newspaper "the hill." i have to go on what wendell says, if you are speaker boehner and you walk to the house of representatives members and say there is...